Dog Breeds FAQ

Stella Awards

Question:

It’s once again time to review the winners of the annual Stella awards. The Stella’s are named after 81 year old Stella Liebeck who spilled coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s. That case inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous successful lawsuits in the United States. 5th place. Terrence Dickson of Bristol Pennsylvania was leaving a house he had just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He could not re-enter the house because the door connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was on vacation and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage for 8 days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found and a large bag of dry dog food. He sued, claiming the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The Jury agreed to the tune of $500,000 4th place. Jerry Williams of Little Rock Arkansas was awarded $14,500 and medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his neighbor’s Beagle dog. The Beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog might have been provoked at the time as Mr. Williams, who had climbed over the fence into the yard, was shooting it repeatedly with a pellet gun. 3rd place. A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of Lancaster Pennsylvania $113,500 after she slipped on a soft drink and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument. 2nd place. Kara Walton of Claymont Delaware sued the owner of a Night Club when she fell from the bathroom window to the floor and knocked out two of her front teeth. This occurred while MS. Walton was trying to sneak out of the window in the Ladies Room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 and dental expenses. 1st Place. This year’s runaway winner was Mr. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Mr. Grazinski purchased a brand new Winnebago Motor Home. On a trip home from an OU football game, while driving on the Freeway, he set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat to go into the back and make himself a cup of coffee. Not surprisingly the RV left the Freeway, crashed and overturned. Mr. Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising him that in the owner’s manual that he could not actually do this. The jury awarded him $1,750,000 plus a new Winnebago Motor Home. The company actually changed their manuals on the basis of this suit just in case there was any other complete morons buying their recreation vehicles

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There is indeed a website dedicated to the Stella Awards, and they include a page listing these as FAKES: http://www.stellaawards.com/bogus.html Zoid

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> There is indeed a website dedicated to the Stella Awards, and they > include a page listing these as FAKES: > http://www.stellaawards.com/bogus.html > Zoid

Cool. Thanks for the Heads Up. I got that in my email and just passed it along…;-) John

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> There is indeed a website dedicated to the Stella Awards, and they > include a page listing these as FAKES: > http://www.stellaawards.com/bogus.html

Jeezus, WHO comes up with that stuff!? Somebody’s got wayyyyy to much time on their hands! ~kp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>2005 Stella Awards! >>Time once again to review the winners of the Annual "Stella Awards." >>The Stella Awards are named after 81 year-old Stella Liebeck who >>spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s (in NM). >>That case inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous, >>ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States. >>Here are this year’s winners: >>5th Place (tie): >>Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000. by a jury of >>her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was >>running inside a furniture store. The owners of the store were >>understandably surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving >>little toddler was Ms. Robertson’s son. >>5th Place (tie): >>19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical >>expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr. >>Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the >>car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps. >>5th Place (tie): >>Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a house he had >>just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get >>the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was >>malfunctioning. He couldn’t re-enter the house because the door >>connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The >>family was on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the >>garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a >>large bag of dry dog food. He sued the homeowner’s insurance claiming >>the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury agreed, to the >>tune of $500,000. In my opinion this is so outrageous that it should >>have been 2nd Place! >>4th Place: >>Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded $14,500. and >>medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his next door >>neighbor’s beagle. The beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced >>yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog >>might have been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams who >>had climbed over the fence into the yard and was shooting it >>repeatedly with a pellet gun. >> 3rd Place: >>A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of >>Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500. after she slipped on a soft drink >>and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because >>Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an >>argument. >>2ndPlace: >>Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the owner of a >>night club in a neighboring city when she fell from the bathroom >>window to the floor and knocked out her two front teeth. This occurred >>while Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the window in the ladies >>room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 >>and dental expenses. >> 1st Place: >> This year’s runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, >> Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago motor >> home. On her first trip home, (from an OU football game), having >> driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and >> calmly left the driver’s seat to go into the back & make herself a >> sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway, crashed and >> overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising her in the >> owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually do this. The jury awarded >> her $1,750,000. plus a new motor home. The company actually changed >> their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any >> other complete morons around. >Indeed, these on the surface, appear to be idiotic verdicts and gross >insults to common sense. >But coming from the reactionary side of the aisle, I suspect that there >have been omissions or extenuating circumstances which would otherwise >provide some rationale for the verdicts, or ‘creative’ use of >descriptive adjectives. Such is indeed the track record of reactionaries. >Now, I’m not levying any charges against Connie, for she is an honorable >person. It’s just that she gets this stuff from various reactionary web >sites, and like the true reactionary she is, NEVER questions dogma or >ideology. >And of course, I don’t have the complete transcripts either, so I really >can’t be sure as well. It’s just that when you behave in a certain way >long enough and frequently enough, it’s sort of guilt by past practice. > Read this: > http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm > It tells the actual facts about the McDonald’s case > Thumper

Thank you, Thumper. I thought there was some little bit of information that the reactionary web site left out. But that is typical disinformation and subterfuge that we have come to expect from the reactionary. Now, I wonder how that makes Connie look?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2005 Stella Awards! > Time once again to review the winners of the Annual "Stella Awards." > The Stella Awards are named after 81 year-old Stella Liebeck who > spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s (in NM). > That case inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous, > ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States. > Here are this year’s winners: > 5th Place (tie): > Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000. by a jury of > her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was > running inside a furniture store. The owners of the store were > understandably surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving > little toddler was Ms. Robertson’s son. > 5th Place (tie): > 19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical > expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr. > Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the > car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps. > 5th Place (tie): > Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a house he had > just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get > the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was > malfunctioning. He couldn’t re-enter the house because the door > connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The > family was on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the > garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a > large bag of dry dog food. He sued the homeowner’s insurance claiming > the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury agreed, to the > tune of $500,000. In my opinion this is so outrageous that it should > have been 2nd Place! > 4th Place: > Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded $14,500. and > medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his next door > neighbor’s beagle. The beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced > yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog > might have been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams who > had climbed over the fence into the yard and was shooting it > repeatedly with a pellet gun. > 3rd Place: > A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of > Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500. after she slipped on a soft drink > and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because > Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an > argument. > 2ndPlace: > Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the owner of a > night club in a neighboring city when she fell from the bathroom > window to the floor and knocked out her two front teeth. This occurred > while Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the window in the ladies > room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 > and dental expenses. > 1st Place: > This year’s runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, > Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago motor > home. On her first trip home, (from an OU football game), having > driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and > calmly left the driver’s seat to go into the back & make herself a > sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway, crashed and > overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising her in the > owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually do this. The jury awarded > her $1,750,000. plus a new motor home. The company actually changed > their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any > other complete morons around. >Indeed, these on the surface, appear to be idiotic verdicts and gross >insults to common sense. >But coming from the reactionary side of the aisle, I suspect that there >have been omissions or extenuating circumstances which would otherwise >provide some rationale for the verdicts, or ‘creative’ use of >descriptive adjectives. Such is indeed the track record of reactionaries. >Now, I’m not levying any charges against Connie, for she is an honorable >person. It’s just that she gets this stuff from various reactionary web >sites, and like the true reactionary she is, NEVER questions dogma or >ideology. >And of course, I don’t have the complete transcripts either, so I really >can’t be sure as well. It’s just that when you behave in a certain way >long enough and frequently enough, it’s sort of guilt by past practice.

Read this: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm It tells the actual facts about the McDonald’s case Thumper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > 2005 Stella Awards! > Time once again to review the winners of the Annual "Stella Awards." > The Stella Awards are named after 81 year-old Stella Liebeck who > spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s (in NM). > That case inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous, > ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States. > Here are this year’s winners: > 5th Place (tie): > Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000. by a jury of > her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was > running inside a furniture store. The owners of the store were > understandably surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving > little toddler was Ms. Robertson’s son. > 5th Place (tie): > 19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical > expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr. > Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the > car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps. > 5th Place (tie): > Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a house he had > just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get > the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was > malfunctioning. He couldn’t re-enter the house because the door > connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The > family was on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the > garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a > large bag of dry dog food. He sued the homeowner’s insurance claiming > the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury agreed, to the > tune of $500,000. In my opinion this is so outrageous that it should > have been 2nd Place! > 4th Place: > Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded $14,500. and > medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his next door > neighbor’s beagle. The beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced > yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog > might have been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams who > had climbed over the fence into the yard and was shooting it > repeatedly with a pellet gun. > 3rd Place: > A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of > Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500. after she slipped on a soft drink > and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because > Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an > argument. > 2ndPlace: > Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the owner of a > night club in a neighboring city when she fell from the bathroom > window to the floor and knocked out her two front teeth. This occurred > while Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the window in the ladies > room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 > and dental expenses. > 1st Place: > This year’s runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, > Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago motor > home. On her first trip home, (from an OU football game), having > driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and > calmly left the driver’s seat to go into the back & make herself a > sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway, crashed and > overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising her in the > owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually do this. The jury awarded > her $1,750,000. plus a new motor home. The company actually changed > their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any > other complete morons around.

Indeed, these on the surface, appear to be idiotic verdicts and gross insults to common sense. But coming from the reactionary side of the aisle, I suspect that there have been omissions or extenuating circumstances which would otherwise provide some rationale for the verdicts, or ‘creative’ use of descriptive adjectives. Such is indeed the track record of reactionaries. Now, I’m not levying any charges against Connie, for she is an honorable person. It’s just that she gets this stuff from various reactionary web sites, and like the true reactionary she is, NEVER questions dogma or ideology. And of course, I don’t have the complete transcripts either, so I really can’t be sure as well. It’s just that when you behave in a certain way long enough and frequently enough, it’s sort of guilt by past practice.

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2005 Stella Awards! Time once again to review the winners of the Annual "Stella Awards." The Stella Awards are named after 81 year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s (in NM). That case inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous, ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States. Here are this year’s winners: 5th Place (tie): Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000. by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store. The owners of the store were understandably surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving little toddler was Ms. Robertson’s son. 5th Place (tie): 19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr. Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps. 5th Place (tie): Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a house he had just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He couldn’t re-enter the house because the door connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a large bag of dry dog food. He sued the homeowner’s insurance claiming the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury agreed, to the tune of $500,000. In my opinion this is so outrageous that it should have been 2nd Place! 4th Place: Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded $14,500. and medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his next door neighbor’s beagle. The beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog might have been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams who had climbed over the fence into the yard and was shooting it repeatedly with a pellet gun. 3rd Place: A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500. after she slipped on a soft drink and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument. 2ndPlace: Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the owner of a night club in a neighboring city when she fell from the bathroom window to the floor and knocked out her two front teeth. This occurred while Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the window in the ladies room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 and dental expenses. 1st Place: This year’s runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home, (from an OU football game), having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go into the back & make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising her in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually do this. The jury awarded her $1,750,000. plus a new motor home. The company actually changed their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any other complete morons around.

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Should we preserve rare breeds?

Question:

should we preserve rare breeds? Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved? or should we let it slip quietly away?. What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?. what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. Even if it possesed noble history?. Hug_ur_dog

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> should we preserve rare breeds?

yes > Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed > every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved?

What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything away from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed. > or > should we let it slip quietly away?. > What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs > be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?.

Don’t quite understand your point. If the breed is gone, you may can try to come up with something similar, but the original is gone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding > program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. > Even if it possesed noble history?. > Hug_ur_dog

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> should we preserve rare breeds? > yes > Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed > every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved? > What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything away > from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed.

Breeding these dog adds to the population does it not? Rare dogs end up in rescues also do they not?. Many people here think any kind of reproduction is bad and just adds to the overpopulation. Their train of thaught is "why produce more dogs with all the dogs in rescue and pounds? and with all the dogs destroyed each year.? > or > should we let it slip quietly away?. > What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs > be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?. > Don’t quite understand your point. If the breed is gone, you may can try > to come up with something similar, but the original is gone.

True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring in outside blood……look at the Chinook. > what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding > program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. > Even if it possesed noble history?. > Hug_ur_dog

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Don’t think I need to state- Yes, preserve the rare breeds. > Breeding these dog adds to the population does it not? Rare dogs end up > in rescues also do they not?. Many people here think any kind of > reproduction is bad and just adds to the overpopulation. Their train of > thaught is "why produce more dogs with all the dogs in rescue and > pounds? and with all the dogs destroyed each year.?

Yes, but those breeding the rare breeds would most likely breed other purebreds, not a bunch of mixes. We’re not talking manufactured breeds, we’re talking breeds that have been around and whose popularity has decined. > True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in > order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring in > outside blood……look at the Chinook.

Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the Dalmatian stud book to one of the ‘parent’ breeds to get some of the traits back that were lost through over breeding… ’saving’ the breed, if you will.

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> Yes, but those breeding the rare breeds would most likely breed other > purebreds, not a bunch of mixes.

Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are they not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught. We’re not talking manufactured > breeds, we’re talking breeds that have been around and whose popularity > has decined.

but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more than one type bred to a uniform standard over time. > True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in > order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring > in > outside blood……look at the Chinook. > Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the > Dalmatian stud book to one of the ‘parent’ breeds to get some of the > traits back that were lost through over breeding… ’saving’ the breed, > if you will.

I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed.

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>I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW

Oh, please. The AKC isn’t the Evil Empire. It’s opened stud books before, and it will do so again. –Cindy —

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> Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are they > not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught.

But that is not preserving the breed. A good breeder of ANY breed will preserve and not mix in any other breeds (I suppose for some of the breeds that have parents, ie Bull Mastiffs crossing in Bulldog or Mastiff would be different, as opposed to bringing in APBT or something- still a related breed, but not one that contributed to the creation of the breed). > but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more > than one type bred to a uniform standard over time.

A type, such as the herding dogs in England or the Curs of the American south that developed for a purpose from similar stock are still different from a "Cockapoo" or "American Barkless" that is reported to be a new breed with first generation crosses of dissimilar breeds. > I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW

I don’t know if it’s true (like I said, just a rumor) but it would be the AKC actually acting for the betterment of a breed that is constantly destroyed when Disney makes another movie. Not something they actively try to do- go out and help preserve breeds, as opposed to just issuing birth certificates. (would be nice if they’d put DNA testing as mandatory some day). > If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set > up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this > would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be > reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. > how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs > not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed.

I think if it saves a genuine breed that has been around for some time (like the Dal) and does it with proper record keeping, a purpose and so on (like the bobtailed Boxers in England) no one will have a problem with the breeding. (JMHO)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are > they > not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught. > But that is not preserving the breed. A good breeder of ANY breed will > preserve and not mix in any other breeds (I suppose for some of the > breeds that have parents, ie Bull Mastiffs crossing in Bulldog or > Mastiff would be different, as opposed to bringing in APBT or something- > still a related breed, but not one that contributed to the creation of > the breed).

I am talking about breeds or type already in the origional breed. a parrent breed. > but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more > than one type bred to a uniform standard over time. > A type, such as the herding dogs in England or the Curs of the American > south that developed for a purpose from similar stock are still > different from a "Cockapoo" or "American Barkless" that is reported to > be a new breed with first generation crosses of dissimilar breeds.

I am not talking about dissimilar breeds. I am talking of parrent breeds. > I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW > I don’t know if it’s true (like I said, just a rumor) but it would be > the AKC actually acting for the betterment of a breed that is > constantly destroyed when Disney makes another movie. Not something > they actively try to do- go out and help preserve breeds, as opposed to > just issuing birth certificates. (would be nice if they’d put DNA > testing as mandatory some day).

I wonder if they would make some rules like: giving the dogs resulting from the mix of outside blood a tentive number with specifics that any such dog then be bred back to a pure dalmation. or others on this line of thaught. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set > up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this > would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be > reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. > how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs > not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed. > I think if it saves a genuine breed that has been around for some time > (like the Dal) and does it with proper record keeping, a purpose and so > on (like the bobtailed Boxers in England) no one will have a problem > with the breeding. (JMHO)

I just do not know, there are the purists out there. they have attacked rarebreeds and re-created breeds or types.

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>Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the >Dalmatian stud book

I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to divulge your source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing to? What lost traits are they trying to recapture? Jana &Bonnie

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The AKC opened the stud on the Field spaniel in I think the 50’s. Most the stock was lost during WW2, and English springers were bred in to open up the bloodlines.

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> I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to divulge your > source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing to? What > lost traits are they trying to recapture?

To the white pointer (?) That’s all she knew, and I’m not sure if that’s what the breed they’re opening to even is. traits I guess are some of the behaviors, body neck and head styles. That’s all I know. Like I said, rumor (plus I only heard it from one person, haven’t heard it from anyone else). Would be nice to hear it from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

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> > What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything > away > from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed.

Reread my last sentence: rare breeds don’t take anything away from rescue/shelter breeds ANY MORE THAN any other breed. I don’t deny that rare breeds end up in rescue, but that was not the question. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to >divulge your > source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing >to? What > lost traits are they trying to recapture? >To the white pointer (?) That’s all she knew, and I’m not sure if >that’s what the breed they’re opening to even is. >traits I guess are some of the behaviors, body neck and head styles. >That’s all I know. Like I said, rumor (plus I only heard it from one >person, haven’t heard it from anyone else). Would be nice to hear it >from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

I think I had read some info about this a while ago. The reason for the outcrossing to pointers (I think it was pointers) I remembered was not about conformation at all, but instead to improve the health problems that are particular to dalmations. chris and her smoothies Zeffie and Pablo

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> I wonder if they would make some rules like: > giving the dogs resulting from the mix of outside blood a tentive > number with specifics that any such dog then be bred back to a pure > dalmation. or others on this line of thaught.

This is already allowed in some breeds. I have a Dutch Shepherd. In Holland, in the working dog world, it is acceptable to breed a malinios, GSD, or Belgian to a Dutchie to get a better working dog (more drive, whatever). You pick the pups that LOOK like the Dutchie then breed those pups back to a ‘pure’ Dutch Shepherd for 3 generations before it is considered ‘pure’ and registerable again. I dont have any idea how often this is done but my research into the breed has showed that it is allowed. Diane

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Apartment dog

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BW> I am looking for a loving dog that will be happy living in an apartment. M BW> first choice is the Schi Tzu because I’ve already had a good deal of BW> experience with that breed. However, I would very much like to find a bree BW> that is just as small, kind, and loving without the high price tag! Any BW> ideas?? Breed rescue. By the bye, you’ll find that buying a pet quality pup from a reputable, responsible, dedicated breeder (yes, the kind who shows) is usually a lot less than buying from a pet store. .. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Don’t blame the dog; train the dog.

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I am looking for a loving dog that will be happy living in an apartment. My first choice is the Schi Tzu because I’ve already had a good deal of experience with that breed. However, I would very much like to find a breed that is just as small, kind, and loving without the high price tag! Any ideas??

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>I am looking for a loving dog that will be happy living in an apartment. My >first choice is the Schi Tzu because I’ve already had a good deal of >experience with that breed. However, I would very much like to find a breed >that is just as small, kind, and loving without the high price tag! Any >ideas??

Adopt a Shih Tzu from your local Shih Tzu Rescue group. Most rescue groups charge around $100 for a purebred dog and many are already housebroken. To find your local Shih Tzu rescue group, ask your local humane society or call the national shih tzu rescue referral person. You can get their number from the AKC website (www.akc.org). If you are in the Atlanta area, I’ll be glad to pass the Shih tzu rescue phone numbers on to you. However, keep in mind that it would be just as good to go adopt a wonderful mixed breed from your local animal shelter. Visit a few times until you fall in love with one of the dogs. -Susan

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Basset Art

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>Do you know this breed?

Actually had one live around the corner from my grooming shop…she was very cute,and sweet. Although I did notice her propensity for chasing buses…LOL. Sorry not much info…kind of reminded me of a rusty red colored wire haired Basset hound. Very cute. Rachel

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Do you know this breed?

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> Do you know this breed?

From my Dog breed book. This breed was specifically developed with short legs to be able to go through bushes and brambles. There are two varieties. The Artesien, bred in Flanders and the Norman bred in Artois; however, the differences between them are negligible. It has a height of from 10 to 14 inches and weighs 33 lbs. Its body is twice as long as it is high. It’s head is dome-shaped and powerful with hairy cheeks and large dark eyes with an expression full of good will and melancholy. Its ears are very long, cone-shaped, soft and pointed. Neck: with slight dewlap. Chest: round, with clearly visible sternum. Tail: long, thick at the root, but narrowing progressively, carried with a sabre curve. Limbs: short, but not deformed. Coat: very short, bicolor (orange and white) or tricolor (orange, tan and white) PERSONALITY: Courageous and headstrong in the hunt. Because of its good nature it is also raised as a companion dog. USES: Used for hunting foxes and hares, sometimes in company of larger hounds. When the larger dogs are unable to penetrate the brambles, the Artesien Normand is ready to throw itself decisively in to action. Like other bassets and terriers, it will go into the lair after its prey. — Shirley Deer Ridge http://www.deerridgerr.com

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Dog won't come!!!Please Help

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I have a 71/2 month old lab/rott mix. She is an excellent dog. She has not recieved training because up until recently she has been so well behaved. She knows most commands such as sit lay etc….. Here is the problem. When we bring her outside she completly ignores us when we want her to come back. We have never hit, or seriously punished her for not listening to us. More often then not we praise her just for coming home. Here is an example of some of her wrong doings: Walking her out in the driveway, she starts picking up her pace, I know shes taking off so i call to her to come back, she keeps going. Can’t punish her because shes gone for a half hour. I really need help with this, i am not a control freak but i need her to be attentive to what i say. I have put some thought into those shockers that are used. Please Help? This must be fixed within the next 4 to 5 months. Thanx in advance Chris

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This needs to be fixed NOW. To start, this dog can never be allowed loose off leash. By law, you’re required to keep your dog under control. It needs to be on a leash any time it’s off your property. This law is somewhat flexible, provided you have good control over the dog, and it isn’t running the neighborhood hog wild. Then you can research a variety of training methods for an off leash recall. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a 71/2 month old lab/rott mix. She is an excellent dog. She has not >recieved training because up until recently she has been so well behaved. She >knows most commands such as sit lay etc….. Here is the problem. When we bring >her outside she completly ignores us when we want her to come back. We have >never hit, or seriously punished her for not listening to us. More often then >not we praise her just for coming home. Here is an example of some of her wrong >doings: Walking her out in the driveway, she starts picking up her pace, I know >shes taking off so i call to her to come back, she keeps going. Can’t punish >her because shes gone for a half hour. I really need help with this, i am not a >control freak but i need her to be attentive to what i say. I have put some >thought into those shockers that are used. Please Help? This must be fixed >within the next 4 to 5 months. Thanx in advance >Chris

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What’s wrong with a leash? Until you have put some training on the dog, you know she is going to take off from the driveway. So why let her get practice and reinforcement that you will have more trouble undoing than preventing it in the first place .>When we bring >her outside she completly ignores us when we want her to come back.

Teach her to come when called. In the meantime, no off leash. >We have >never hit, or seriously punished her for not listening to us.

Good. It doesn’t work anyway. Hitting a dog is a good way to get bit. >Walking her out in the driveway, she starts picking up her pace, I know >shes taking off so i call to her to come back, she keeps going.

She’s learning that your calling her is meaningless. You soend like you could use some help from someone who knows dogs.

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female pup question

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The one that really scared me was the dogs that reportedly bred through TWO crate windows. Made me really understand the old time breeder who when asked about keeping males away from females stated lock and key, um lock and key and glass…. <G> Later on I understood her rather bemused expression far better Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ > pens > and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results > pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 > minutes > of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young > too) > Here’s a pleasant little story from a breeder I know. > "I understand that an accident can happen, but you must be prepared to stop > the breeding process if you don’t want puppies. To give you an idea of what > to expect, let me tell you a story. > "My kennel is set up with concrete and six-foot high fencing. The houses > are arranged outside of the runs with a hole cut through the wire so the > dogs have access to the inside of the houses. There is a five-foot overhand > made of fiberglass panels so the dogs can get out of the sunlight and heat. > When I had a female go into heat, I felt that she was okay and nothing could > happen. Well, it did! > "She climbed over the gate and circled the kennel yard. She then climbed on > top of the roof of one of the houses and jumped to the roof of the overhang. > Being fiberglass, it didn’t hold her weight. She crashed through the roof > and into the pen with a male. Yes, she bred even after the six-foot fall. > Luckily, she chose the same male I had chosen and didn’t break any bones in > the fall. Now I have a wire top that I place over the pen when a female > goes into heat. No one in– no one out. This way the decision to breed is > mine." > I also saw Parade- before we had her spayed- pull her toenail out trying to > get out of her crate to Tommy on the other side. We’d only had her a few > weeks when she went into heat… and you can bet that she never went into > heat again. > -Amanda & Lucy > http://uberpest.50megs.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely >> obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a >> female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry >> about this issue at all. >unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of >persistant infections…blech > Notice I *did* say "usually" . And if that’s the only > reason she’s not yet spayed, take comfort in the fact > that you’ll only have to go through this once! > Dianne

man…you have no idea how much lol — Paul C – who has come to the decision that dogs in heat should become an option that can be unchecked

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> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely > obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a > female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry > about this issue at all.

unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of persistant infections…blech — Paul C – Purebred…mix…their tails still wag the same and they’ll still grab your lunch. Scratch an ear anyways.

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>> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely > obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a > female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry > about this issue at all. >unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of >persistant infections…blech

Notice I *did* say "usually" . And if that’s the only reason she’s not yet spayed, take comfort in the fact that you’ll only have to go through this once! Dianne

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> My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>… I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:)

Wish we’d thought about that when Parade had her heat. We did put Vick’s Vapo-Rub (mentholatum) on her vulva to cover the heat smell. Assuming we got enough on there Tommy (TOMMY!!!) didn’t even notice. Tommy, the dog who knows when the bitch two miles away (!!) is in heat. The one who’s father ran three miles across the desert after escaping his locked run to breed the neighbor’s ACD bitch…. Though now he is AWFULLY friendly when you have a cough drop. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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ACK…Vick’s??? Wouldnt that burn??? I know I wouldnt want it near my vulva <grin>… My male goes crazy too…He’s fixed..but he don’t know it;) Jen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>… I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:) > Wish we’d thought about that when Parade had her heat. We did put Vick’s > Vapo-Rub (mentholatum) on her vulva to cover the heat smell. Assuming we > got enough on there Tommy (TOMMY!!!) didn’t even notice. Tommy, the dog who > knows when the bitch two miles away (!!) is in heat. The one who’s father > ran three miles across the desert after escaping his locked run to breed the > neighbor’s ACD bitch…. > Though now he is AWFULLY friendly when you have a cough drop. > -Amanda & Lucy > http://uberpest.50megs.com

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> ACK…Vick’s??? Wouldnt that burn??? I know I wouldnt want it near my vulva > <grin>… My male goes crazy too…He’s fixed..but he don’t know it;)

I don’t know if it burns… I didn’t ask her <g>. I actually learned it from a Gary Paulsen book, I was surprised it worked at all. It was pretty much only for when we went outside so she wouldn’t advertise to the world. Pick her up, head down, wipe her bottom and go. Poor Lucy, being alpha bitch of the dogs (and spayed), kept trying to get the boys to mount HER. If someone was in heat then dangit! it should be her!!! She flagged and everything, but couldn’t get them to pay attention. She was soooo upset about it all. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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I use the human panty liners also. She is a smaller dog so I cut the panty liner in half. Since I cut them in half the wings type wouldn’t work so well. Mariah has been real good about keeping her pants on, but she still can get in there and clean herself, panty liner and everything. Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Use panties..and a human pantie liner…Always with wings works good… unless > of course you have a tiny dog…but you should be able to find the appropiate > size… > My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>… I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:) > Jen > I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on > furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at > all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and > she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them > spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once > we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I > would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is > coming into heat now and I am dreading it. > Kathy > > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > > anything anywhere) > > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > > them? > > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > > thanks in advance

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> Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ pens > and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results > pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 minutes > of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young > too)

Here’s a pleasant little story from a breeder I know. "I understand that an accident can happen, but you must be prepared to stop the breeding process if you don’t want puppies. To give you an idea of what to expect, let me tell you a story. "My kennel is set up with concrete and six-foot high fencing. The houses are arranged outside of the runs with a hole cut through the wire so the dogs have access to the inside of the houses. There is a five-foot overhand made of fiberglass panels so the dogs can get out of the sunlight and heat. When I had a female go into heat, I felt that she was okay and nothing could happen. Well, it did! "She climbed over the gate and circled the kennel yard. She then climbed on top of the roof of one of the houses and jumped to the roof of the overhang. Being fiberglass, it didn’t hold her weight. She crashed through the roof and into the pen with a male. Yes, she bred even after the six-foot fall. Luckily, she chose the same male I had chosen and didn’t break any bones in the fall. Now I have a wire top that I place over the pen when a female goes into heat. No one in– no one out. This way the decision to breed is mine." I also saw Parade- before we had her spayed- pull her toenail out trying to get out of her crate to Tommy on the other side. We’d only had her a few weeks when she went into heat… and you can bet that she never went into heat again. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place. > This is a nice extra "plus" when you are with her and supervising her. > The original poster needs to know, though, that such a garment is no > substitue for in-person supervision! Really she should not be out without > you when she is in heat. When I had an intact bitch, she went out into > the fenced yard (after I had checked it for visiting dogs) and I went out > with her and kept her in sight; early morning and late night "potty runs" > were made with her on a leash, even in the fenced yard. If the phone > rings or you suddenly realize that you left something cooking on the stove > — she goes back in with you! Constant vigilance. > Watching from inside the house may be okay if you are close enough to get > out there if a dog shows up, AND if you watch constantly. A lot of people > would be careless with this so I wouldn’t recommend it, though I can > understand that it would work fine for some owners. > Elizabeth

Oh definitely! If Summer is truly in heat, which seems to be the question of the moment now, I will be altering her walking schedule. She’s a boxer and *needs* the outdoor exercise daily. I’ve asked my vet and some breeders I’ve met online and they said that she does need to be exercised and that by trying to only walk her when others are likely still in bed or in for the night, that I shouldn’t have any problems. I may end up having to wake up an hour earlier to walk her & wait until after 8 for the evening walk. We would basically be cutting out the chances of seeing any other dogs on our small route. She is never unattended outside now, especially with the question of her being in heat. I’m always either out there with her or inside watching from the window (during the winter cold months), but I’m not more than 2 seconds away even when I’m inside.

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I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is coming into heat now and I am dreading it. Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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Use panties..and a human pantie liner…Always with wings works good… unless of course you have a tiny dog…but you should be able to find the appropiate size… My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them <sigh>… I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with wings:) Jen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on > furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at > all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and > she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them > spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once > we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I > would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is > coming into heat now and I am dreading it. > Kathy > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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> 2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place.

This is a nice extra "plus" when you are with her and supervising her. The original poster needs to know, though, that such a garment is no substitue for in-person supervision! Really she should not be out without you when she is in heat. When I had an intact bitch, she went out into the fenced yard (after I had checked it for visiting dogs) and I went out with her and kept her in sight; early morning and late night "potty runs" were made with her on a leash, even in the fenced yard. If the phone rings or you suddenly realize that you left something cooking on the stove — she goes back in with you! Constant vigilance. Watching from inside the house may be okay if you are close enough to get out there if a dog shows up, AND if you watch constantly. A lot of people would be careless with this so I wouldn’t recommend it, though I can understand that it would work fine for some owners. Elizabeth

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No, not a dumb question really, if you have never been exposed to female dog that were not fixed. Smart that you asked it in advance of getting a female, IMO. I have always had male dogs and until I got on the Internet and began really learned about dogs, I wondered the same thing. I believe, from what I have learned, female dogs do spot-bleed and you can buy doggie pads and belts for them. A female dog in heat cannot be let alone because all intact males nearby will try to do anything to mount her and a female will try to do almost anything to get to said males. Best, in my opinion, to get your dog fixed and thus avoid the problem of contributing to pet overpopulation. Good luck! >Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find >anything anywhere) >I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do >they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for >them? >Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female >dogs and I am thinking about getting one. >thanks in advance

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Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry about this issue at all. Dianne

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>2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. >Prevents a male from being able to mount her

Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT belong in "social situations" where intact males are present–even with constant supervision to prevent an unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking fights among the other dogs. Dianne

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Summer is never outside unsupervised. I only have a small area of grass off my patio that she can use. She is put on a 20′ cable tie-out to make sure she doesn’t go off on one of her curious george hunts. I either stand at the window in the kitchen watching her or I stand outside with her. As far as social situations, I walk her twice a day and we pass other dogs on our walk, all of which are on leashes so I don’t see a problem in a male mounting her since I’m there and the other dog’s owner is there, on the other end of his leash — Tara O. The Hall Monitor Have you microchipped your pet yet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. >Prevents a male from being able to mount her > Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your > bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined > and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! > Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what > "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other > things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . > Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times > when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT > belong in "social situations" where intact males are > present–even with constant supervision to prevent an > unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking > fights among the other dogs. > Dianne

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I know it is hard to get information on what to expect when your dog is on heat. My dog Jedda went on heat at 7 1/2 months old (a week and a half after I got her from the shelter and two days before her operation!). Some people will tell you that there isn’t much mess but in Jedda’s case this wasn’t true. She dripped blood. Not gushing out or anything but quite a few drops and everywhere she sat she left a mark. And Jedda isn’t one of those "self-cleaning" type of dogs. I mean, my parents have a sheltie cross and she pays w-a-y too much attention to her nether regions! I didn’t use sanitary pants on her – didn’t find out about them until after she was finished! I have a very secure back yard (luckily) but I still saw dogs sniffing around the garage door (which leads through) on occasion. I didn’t walk her while she was in season because if we did see a male I knew I couldn’t pick up a 40lb dog and run away! And as an added bonus, you get to put up with this for three weeks at a time! Seriously consider getting your female desexed BEFORE she comes into season. Don’t listen to all of the old wives tales about letting them go through "just one season". From what information I found this is not beneficial at all – in fact, it increases the chances of mammary cancer. Could any experienced breeders shed a more educated light on the subject? I’m only speaking from personal experience (and not an experience I want to repeat). Michelle & Jedda (who also had an umbilical hernia which was found at the time of desexing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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Ah therein speaks the person who has not seen the fully determined to breed dog in action We say be very careful for good reason here. Dogs are smarter, faster, and more willful than you might believe when it comes to breeding. That ‘aroma’ is powerful stuff! Leashes may well not be enough and walking your dog when she is in heat may well lead to a parade of dogs encircling your home (not to mention a tie out and even your presence is no protection from an amorous male!) I wish you luck in guarding your girl. Nancy Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ pens and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 minutes of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young too)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Summer is never outside unsupervised. I only have a small area of grass off > my patio that she can use. She is put on a 20′ cable tie-out to make sure > she doesn’t go off on one of her curious george hunts. I either stand at > the window in the kitchen watching her or I stand outside with her. As far > as social situations, I walk her twice a day and we pass other dogs on our > walk, all of which are on leashes so I don’t see a problem in a male > mounting her since I’m there and the other dog’s owner is there, on the > other end of his leash > — > Tara O. > The Hall Monitor > Have you microchipped your pet yet? > >2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other > dogs. > >Prevents a male from being able to mount her > Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your > bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined > and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! > Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what > "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other > things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . > Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times > when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT > belong in "social situations" where intact males are > present–even with constant supervision to prevent an > unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking > fights among the other dogs. > Dianne

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Not to mention that for a first-time dog owner, one often forgets that a female dog is fertile for usually up to *two weeks* AFTER the discharge has stopped, so even if the dog is not showing signs of being in heat any longer, in which case the "doggy diaper" will be removed, she can still get pregnant. Hope that you know this. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My female just went into heat this weekend and I wouldn’t have known except > for a few tiny blood stains I found. I went to PetsMart and bought her a > doggy diaper for two reasons…. > 1. To protect the house from blood droplets and > 2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place. > They’re not expensive and easy to use. Only problem I have with them is my > dog trying to pull it off….she can’t, but she does try. Other than taking > this precautionary measure, I don’t see you having to make any other > preparations or arrangements. > — > Tara O. > The Hall Monitor > Have you microchipped your pet yet?

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You are very correct about spaying *before* they come into season. Like humans, the female dog only begins producing hormones at around the time of her first season. Most breeders will not breed their dog until the second or third season to ensure that their reproductive system is fully developed, though, again like humans, they *can* get pregnant earlier. Some females get pregnant before their owner even noticed that they had a season! Spaying *before* the first season, usually around 6 months of age (it can be done earlier, if you prefer, ask your vet about it), not only ensures that she will *never* get pregnant (causing unwanted puppies and creating unnecessary risk for mom and babies), but ensures that her chances of developing mammary cancer drop to *almost* zero. Spayed dogs can still develop mammary cancer, but typically, if the dog is spayed before she begins to develop mammary tissue (before her first season), then there is less tissue there that can become cancerous. Also, spayed dogs have zero chance of developing uterine infections, which can not only be painful, but can be fatal. Of course, there are opponents to the spaying/neutering stance, who argue that tubiligations and vasectomies are just as effective. While these procedures *are* effective at preventing pregnancy, they *DO NOT* prevent mammary or testicular cancer, nor do they prevent uterine infections/cysts/pyometria (infection of the uterine lining), or ovarian cancer/cysts. Only removal of these organs by an ovariohysterectomy (spay) or castration (neuter) will remove the chances of these problems. I hope that this has provided you with enough information to make an informed decision, of course, you should *ALWAYS* talk to your vet before you make any decisions regarding procedures for your dog. For the original poster, who does not now have a female dog, please talk to your vet or a trusted breeder or even to people at a local animal shelter about what to expect with females. For some breeds they react differently to different things, and you may want to reconsider if you expect problems. Good luck on your decision and thank you for asking these questions *before* you got a new dog. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know it is hard to get information on what to expect when your dog is on > heat. My dog Jedda went on heat at 7 1/2 months old (a week and a half > after I got her from the shelter and two days before her operation!). > Some people will tell you that there isn’t much mess but in Jedda’s case > this wasn’t true. She dripped blood. Not gushing out or anything but quite > a few drops and everywhere she sat she left a mark. And Jedda isn’t one of > those "self-cleaning" type of dogs. I mean, my parents have a sheltie cross > and she pays w-a-y too much attention to her nether regions! > I didn’t use sanitary pants on her – didn’t find out about them until after > she was finished! > I have a very secure back yard (luckily) but I still saw dogs sniffing > around the garage door (which leads through) on occasion. I didn’t walk her > while she was in season because if we did see a male I knew I couldn’t pick > up a 40lb dog and run away! > And as an added bonus, you get to put up with this for three weeks at a > time! > Seriously consider getting your female desexed BEFORE she comes into season. > Don’t listen to all of the old wives tales about letting them go through > "just one season". From what information I found this is not beneficial at > all – in fact, it increases the chances of mammary cancer. > Could any experienced breeders shed a more educated light on the subject? > I’m only speaking from personal experience (and not an experience I want to > repeat). > Michelle & Jedda (who also had an umbilical hernia which was found at the > time of desexing)

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Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find anything anywhere) I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for them? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female dogs and I am thinking about getting one. thanks in advance

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My female just went into heat this weekend and I wouldn’t have known except for a few tiny blood stains I found. I went to PetsMart and bought her a doggy diaper for two reasons…. 1. To protect the house from blood droplets and 2. To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in the first place. They’re not expensive and easy to use. Only problem I have with them is my dog trying to pull it off….she can’t, but she does try. Other than taking this precautionary measure, I don’t see you having to make any other preparations or arrangements. — Tara O. The Hall Monitor Have you microchipped your pet yet?

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Grooming a biter

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I’m sure the professional groomers know best, and if I were you I’d go with their advice. However, I’ll toss in my two cents. I adopted a middle-aged rescue bulldog who woudln’t tolerate ANY grooming. He recognized and snapped at Q tips, Otomax tubes, brushes, etc. Certainly he doesn’t need the upkeep that your breed requires. But he does have ears, toenails and wrinkles that require attention, and feet that need to be wiped when it rains. With infinite patience, LOTS of daily practice and advice from a trainer and behaviorist, I have gotten about 80% improvement. I used a head collar, praise and occasional treats (along with basic obedience training, of course). He’s not perfect and may never be, but he is clean and healthy. He even seems to like ear cleaning now. You MUST consult a professional trainer or behaviorist if there’s any chance of a bite. I’m not qualified to give specific advice. I just wanted to let you know that retraining can help. The time involved is well worth it in the long run. In article > I have (my son has!) a mini schnauzer that is in need of grooming. > I usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to > groom him.

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>Apparently the owner of the schnauzer was so tired of being bit, she was >trying to get the vet to give her chemical restraints. Those are far more >severe (and could be life threatening) than a short term physical restraint.

. One thing the owner might look into is rescue remedy, flower essences, etc. — herbal remedies to mellow the dog out. Usually these need to be given for a few days before a stressful event, but that, combined with training and a muzzle could make the whole process less traumatizing for the dog (and owner). They don’t sedate the dog but can have amazing benefit in calming him. . kassa

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I’m always on here asking for other people, so here it goes again A friend of mine is thinking about purchasing a puppy from a shelter in a few months. She doesn’t know what breed would be best for her, so what do you guys think? She wants a small – medium size dog. Nothing bigger than a Lab. Low shedding required. Much less than say…a GSD. She previously had a Jack Russell, and likes that sort of temperament. She doesn’t exercise that much, so no dog requiring more than 30 mins a day of *active* exercise. She will be home for three straight months. After that, she’ll be out for about 4 hours a day. Her mum will be home in the day, so the dog won’t be completely alone. She’ll be keeping it primarily inside, but it will spend some time outside. Yard isn’t very large, so exercise will be mainly taking it for walks and to the park. Looks wise – nothing muscular looking like a APBT etc. She’d like a dog that likes to play, but can also rest quietly on her bed etc. Any ideas? Thanks Nat

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m always on here asking for other people, so here it goes again > A friend of mine is thinking about purchasing a puppy from a shelter > in a few months. She doesn’t know what breed would be best for her, so > what do you guys think? > She wants a small – medium size dog. Nothing bigger than a Lab. > Low shedding required. Much less than say…a GSD. > She previously had a Jack Russell, and likes that sort of temperament. > She doesn’t exercise that much, so no dog requiring more than 30 mins > a day of *active* exercise. > She will be home for three straight months. After that, she’ll be out > for about 4 hours a day. Her mum will be home in the day, so the dog > won’t be completely alone. > She’ll be keeping it primarily inside, but it will spend some time > outside. > Yard isn’t very large, so exercise will be mainly taking it for walks > and to the park. > Looks wise – nothing muscular looking like a APBT etc. > She’d like a dog that likes to play, but can also rest quietly on her > bed etc. > Any ideas?

You’ll get more responses if you start a new thread with your question. It’s kinda buried in the "grooming a biter" thread. Just click on the "new message" button at the top of the browser window. Your friend seems pretty open-minded about breeds. I’m sure she’ll find the perfect match at a shelter. I see lots of great terrier mixes at our local shelter. Other than size, a greyhound might also be a good choice for her. Donna & Phoebe, PWD, BWX, CGC!!! — I think, therefore I am. I think.

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I hate to be a "me too"-er, but this kinda calls for it. If she’s not a fan of the Greyhound’s size but likes the personality, maybe a very petite female Greyhound or a Whippet would work. Sorry about that, couldn’t miss a chance to tote the breed’s praises!

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How about a greyhound? Most greyhounds are about 2 years old when adopted. Adopting a puppy is fine but they are alot of work and most breeds (I’m sure I’ll be corrected if wrong) don’t mature until two years of age. Some greys can be large but most aren’t bigger than a lab. Their coats are easy care. Let’s break a big misconception, greyhounds do not need a lot of exercise. A few sprints around your yard or living room and they are ready for another nap. They love stuffed toys. They will pounce on it like a cat and then throw it in the air. I often find my dog’s toy floating in her water bowl. I encourage you and your friend to spend time with some greyhounds. Please don’t dismiss the idea. You may be pleasently surpised about these neat dogs. Reba

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >How about a greyhound? Most greyhounds are about 2 years old when >adopted. Adopting a puppy is fine but they are alot of work and most >breeds (I’m sure I’ll be corrected if wrong) don’t mature until two >years of age. > Some greys can be large but most aren’t bigger than a lab. Their coats >are easy care. > Let’s break a big misconception, greyhounds do not need a lot of >exercise. A few sprints around your yard or living room and they are >ready for another nap. They love stuffed toys. They will pounce on it >like a cat and then throw it in the air. I often find my dog’s toy >floating in her water bowl. > I encourage you and your friend to spend time with some greyhounds. >Please don’t dismiss the idea. You may be pleasently surpised about >these neat dogs. > Reba

K, I’ll tell her to check that out. I don’t know if there are many around here though (here, being Australia), but we’ll see if there are any at shelter. I actually suggested a greyhound myself Nat

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How about a greyhound? Most greyhounds are about 2 years old when >adopted. Adopting a puppy is fine but they are alot of work and most >breeds (I’m sure I’ll be corrected if wrong) don’t mature until two >years of age. > Some greys can be large but most aren’t bigger than a lab. Their coats >are easy care. > Let’s break a big misconception, greyhounds do not need a lot of >exercise. A few sprints around your yard or living room and they are >ready for another nap. They love stuffed toys. They will pounce on it >like a cat and then throw it in the air. I often find my dog’s toy >floating in her water bowl. > I encourage you and your friend to spend time with some greyhounds. >Please don’t dismiss the idea. You may be pleasently surpised about >these neat dogs. > Reba > K, I’ll tell her to check that out. I don’t know if there are many > around here though (here, being Australia), but we’ll see if there are > any at shelter. I actually suggested a greyhound myself > Nat > WHAT ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A CAT

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I have (my son has!) a mini schnauzer that is in need of grooming. I usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to groom him. I have called a number of vets office to buy a sedative for the dog but they will not even discuss it. I cannot really afford to pay for general anesthesia to groom a dog. So, how do you groom a biter? Lyndon —

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> I have (my son has!) a mini schnauzer that is in need of grooming. I > usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to groom him. > I have called a number of vets office to buy a sedative for the dog > but they will not even discuss it. I cannot really afford to pay for general > anesthesia to groom a dog. > So, how do you groom a biter?

Either train, muzzle, or sedate. Muzzling is the easiest. — Toni www.irish-wolfhounds.com e-mail Toni [at] irish-wolfhounds [dot] com

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>that’s sick, man… > you can’t tie or muzzle or sedate… if the dog doesn’t like it, than she/he > has a point. > try grooming differently, or just give it up at all…

Apparently the owner of the schnauzer was so tired of being bit, she was trying to get the vet to give her chemical restraints. Those are far more severe (and could be life threatening) than a short term physical restraint. Giving up grooming would end up in a matted mess and then the dog would have to be dangerously put under to be shaved down once a year at a vet and mats can cause major problems. (Do we need the maggot thread again?) The muzzles I use are nylon and loose enough the dog can still open his mouth enough to pant and cause no discomfort. Thankfully seldom in my shop do I need them, although having been bitten to the bone by a great Dane last year doing his nails and while his Dad was holding him, I tend to remember to use muzzles sooner lately. =) . Often grooming problems get worse because it starts a caught 22 situation at home. Dog needs to be brushed and fights it because it is dominant and does not think grooming his legs is legal. The Mom gives up half way done. Instead of grooming more often, people tend to leave go something they all hate, so the dog is tangled the next time and fights it even more because now it hurts. Mom gets bit and stops the groom and the dog wins. Soon the dog has Mom trained not to groom him at all. As far as grooming differently, you have brought up a good point. Sometimes different groom methods and different handling will turn a dog that fights being groomed into accepting it. Often that is the very restraints that seem to appall you, standing on a table and taking away his weapon. =) I have had several dogs that I had to muzzle when I first started grooming them that after a few grooms decided it was OK to let me groom them when they found out they could not win. Every dog is an individual and needs to be treated as such and in this situation it would be best to go to a professional groomer who can find the best and kindest way to deal with the dog. It would also be a good idea to let the groomer keep the dog’s furnishings short for easy care at home.

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that’s sick, man… you can’t tie or muzzle or sedate… if the dog doesn’t like it, than she/he has a point. try grooming differently, or just give it up at all…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to groom > him. > I have called a number of vets office to buy a sedative for the dog > but they will not even discuss it. I cannot really afford to pay for > general > anesthesia to groom a dog. > Very Carefully. =) > Take him to a pro and set up weekly appointments for brush and bath. Warn > them and see how he does. Many who have their Mom’s buffaloed are fine for > me because usually it is dominance not aggression. > At home suggestions: > Is it mainly for the feet like many dogs? Buy a muzzle or tie his mouth shut > for the parts you can reach while he is muzzled. Put him on a grooming table > (or something like the dryer with a rubber bath mat)and use a restraint. > Sometimes getting them off your lap and on a table is all you need. > Laurel

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: that’s sick, man… : you can’t tie or muzzle or sedate… if the dog doesn’t like it, than she/he : has a point. : try grooming differently, or just give it up at all… I don’t know about the breed in question but I do know that for some breeds not grooming is flat out cruel. The hair can become so matted that it pulls on the skin, the skin is unable to "breathe" properly and the result is sores, ulcers, infection, and pain. For some breeds grooming is a medical necessity. Diane Blackman Re: Jerry Howe http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Be true to your own principles, and hold to them, else complain not when the world runs contrary.

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>that’s sick, man… >you can’t tie or muzzle or sedate… if the dog doesn’t like it, than she/he >has a point. >try grooming differently, or just give it up at all…

You obviously dont have a clue what grooming is all about….Sometimes there is no other choice than using a muzzle.And in my shop,that consists of a long strip of terri cloth from an old towel.If placed correctly,it is NOT sick it is necessary… Whats the other alternative??Manhandling??Headlocks??Restraining by 3 people?Usually ,that makes an animal more upset than if a muzzle is placed on its snout. Sometimes we all have to go through stuff that we dont like…Same goes for animals.And wearing a muzzle for 5 minutes isn’t going to hurt any dog.But without it,many a groomer would be in the hospital as we speak. Rachel

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> usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to groom him. > I have called a number of vets office to buy a sedative for the dog > but they will not even discuss it. I cannot really afford to pay for general > anesthesia to groom a dog.

Very Carefully. =) Take him to a pro and set up weekly appointments for brush and bath. Warn them and see how he does. Many who have their Mom’s buffaloed are fine for me because usually it is dominance not aggression. At home suggestions: Is it mainly for the feet like many dogs? Buy a muzzle or tie his mouth shut for the parts you can reach while he is muzzled. Put him on a grooming table (or something like the dryer with a rubber bath mat)and use a restraint. Sometimes getting them off your lap and on a table is all you need. Laurel

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>I have (my son has!) a mini schnauzer that is in need of grooming. I >usually do it but am getting tired of being bitten when I try to groom him.

Have you ever considered taking the dog to a professional groomer? As long as you are up front with the problem, many will at least try to work on the dog for you. The advantages of this approach are: 1. They know what they are doing. Professional groomers have the experience to allow them to handle dogs with many temperaments. It is my experience that dogs that are "home groomed" are harder to do. This is because of the lack of formal training/experience, and because the "groomer" is often inexperienced/unsure of themselves. This means that they dog is either pulled, cut, nicked, razor burned, etc.. or that they simply pick up on the lack of authority in the person working on them. 2. They have the proper equipment. Professional groomers have the appropriate equipment to safely restrain and groom your pet. Much easier than you struggling with him on the floor, table, counter, etc. 3. And *this* is the biggie….. Most dogs are somewhat insecure at the groomers….they are off their "turf", being handled very matter of factly by "strangers"… just like children, they often respond to these circumstances by acting *much* better than they do at home. >I have called a number of vets office to buy a sedative for the dog >but they will not even discuss it.

This is not a good idea because a partially sedated pet is *more* afraid because they sense the lack of control over their body. > I cannot really afford to pay for general >anesthesia to groom a dog.

Not only is this an expensive option, but it isn’t a safe one. Schnauzers require regular grooming… It would not be healthy to put him under every 2 – 3 months for life. Robin

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Help me Pick a doggy… Please!!!!!!

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This message is to Diane Blackman: Diane, I just wanted to let you know that your post to the 11 year old girl who started this subject was absolutely the best post I have ever seen. You covered it all and I don’t think that anyone could have done it better. Thanks for caring. Cya, Joyce and the Boxer Brigade

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sounds to me like an Astralian Cattle dog might be just right for her and would help with the stock

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: sounds to me like an Astralian Cattle dog might be just right for her and : would help with the stock This breed needs a very experienced owner. A new, timid, uncertain, or lazy owner can take what could have been a wonderful dog, and turn it into a dog whose only destiny is death. — Diane Blackman _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Failure is when you quit trying.

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As a dog breeder, I can tell you that you should NOT get a dog. The weather extremes outdoors can only harm any dog that you get. Plus, how could you spend a lot of time with the animal if it were kept outside? Al Gibson Royal Kennels St. Paul, MN

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Hello, My name is Lindsay… I am 11 years old and I would like to ask your help… I was wondering if you could recommend a dog that has the following characteristics (or point me to a place that I could get this information): 1. Not a Big dog! 2. Friendly 3. Easy to train 4. Outdoor dog… we live in New Mexico, and my grandmother won’t let the dog in the house. 5. We live in the country, so the dog will have lots of room… but we have cattle and we don’t want the dog to bother the cows… 6. do not want a dog that howls lot… making alot of noise will bother my grandparents That is basically it… I would give him/her lots of love and companionship and we would play together all the time. Would you give me a list of breeds that I could look at on the internet… or possibly an www address that I could scan. Any help you could give me I would appreciate a bunch! Thank You Lindsay

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: Hello, My name is Lindsay… I am 11 years old and I would like to ask your : help… I was wondering if you could recommend a dog that has the following : characteristics (or point me to a place that I could get this information): : 1. Not a Big dog! : 2. Friendly : 3. Easy to train : 4. Outdoor dog… we live in New Mexico, and my grandmother won’t let the dog : in the house. : 5. We live in the country, so the dog will have lots of room… but we have : cattle and we don’t want the dog to bother the cows… : 6. do not want a dog that howls lot… making alot of noise will bother my : grandparents : : That is basically it… I would give him/her lots of love and companionship : and we would play together all the time. Would you give me a list of breeds : that I could look at on the internet… or possibly an www address that I : could scan. Any help you could give me I would appreciate a bunch! Lindsay, Good for you for thinking about some important questions. Lots of adults aren’t that careful about selecting a dog. That can end up very sadly. A good match between dog and owner is a joy, a bad one is trouble. If you want a dog that really matches your family well I’m going to recommmend a couple books to you. It will be more work, but it will be worth it in the end. You see there are a lot of things to think about in deciding on the right dog. Sometimes it isn’t very obvious what those things are. So one book helps you figure out the questions you need to think about, and the other two do a pretty good job of helping you decide what will work out for you. And there is something else to think about. Yes, I know that lots of dogs do live outside and are never allowed in the house. That works for some dogs. The dogs it works best for are the ones where there are people and/or other dogs outside with the dog pretty much all day. Like a ranch dog where people are working livestock then the dog gets to hang around the people and it doesn’t get lonely. Being with a companion is very very important to most dogs. So the questions isn’t whether the dog will live inside or outside, but how much time will it spend with people. And make sure that when you leave to go to college that someone will still want to take care of the dog. It will only be eight or so many more years to live. Its very very hard to take a dog with you to college. If no one will take care of the dog when you go away then don’t get one now. Its hard to find new homes for dogs as old as 8 and they get very upset about being given away. Think about what goes on around your house, who likes dogs, who doesn’t, who will be comfortable if the dog follows them around and who won’t like it. Now, is there going to be someone around the dog every day at least four hours a day? If yes, then it might work. If no, then you are taking a big risk that the dog will get so lonely it will do naughty things. And I bet in your area a dog that does naughty things doesn’t live very long. I’m always very sad for a dog that isn’t allowed in the house. Most dogs are much happier when they are a part of the family. If you really love dogs think hard and make sure you can keep an outside dog happy, OK? Oh and if you can make the dog happy living outside you will still need a dog run to put the dog in when no one is around. A lonely dog goes looking for company. That means there is a big chance he might wander off and chase someone else’s cows! Bad news, right? Take a look at http://www.dog-play.com/freedogs.html do be sure you understand that it is very important you can make sure your dog stays at home. Some people use chains instead of dog runs, but that’s scary for a dog because another dog, or coyote or some animal can attack it and it couldn’t get away. So a dog run keeps the dog safe, and makes it feel safe. The books are (1) "The Right Dog For You" by Daniel Tortora. It does a wonderful job of helping you explore what it is that you want (and don’t want) in a dog. It asks you questions you never even thought of, and provides good insight into developing your own answers. The most valuable part of the book is these questions. Take the time to work through it, it’s well worth the effort. But that book is a bit out of date, and some people (who would know better than I) say the breed descriptions are not as accurate as two more recent books: (2) "Your Purebred Puppy" by Michele Lowell and (3) "A Perfect Match" by Chris Walkowicz. So start with the Tortora book, get an idea of the qualities that will suit your family, then look to the other books to discover which dogs have those qualities. A shelter or rescue dog might be just the perfect answer. Many of these are fine dogs that got to the shelter or rescue because their previous owner did not do their homework. Adult dogs, in particular, are often a good choice because their needs are not so time intensive as puppies. Moreover, the adult dog offers a degree of predictablility. A GOOD shelter or rescue evaluation can really do a good job of matching dog to owner. Here are some books to read to learn more about shelter and rescue dogs. "Second Hand Dog" by Carol Benjamin "Choosing a Shelter Dog" by Christiansen When you decide to get your dog don’t just take the first cute furry face that comes along. It may be hard but it is well worth it to apply temperament tests, carefully evaluate the dog, and wait for the one that is truly right for your family. You CAN’T save them all, but you CAN save the one that has the best chance of having a happy life with you, and that is the one that matches your family. And if you do decide to go for a purebred, don’t waste your money on a petstore dog, or one from a casual breeder (one who may love their dog, but doesn’t know, for example, what genetic health checks to do before deciding to breed). Most dogs have potential for genetic disease, often not showing up until you have become completely attached to the dog – older than two, sometimes much older. If you are paying big money for a dog (over $100) then part of what you should be paying for is a reduced risk of genetic disease and attention to sound physcial and mental health. That doesn’t happen with the casual breeder and especially not with the pet-store dog. Here are a couple of sites on the web to look at http://www.duke.edu/~hendrix/choosing.html http://www.zmall.com/pet_talk/dog-faqs/ http://www.canismajor.com/dog/clasfied.html http://www.canismajor.com/dog/responbr.html http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~rmm7e/classified.html http://www.dog-play.com/choosing.html Good Luck — Diane Blackman _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others. the lion.

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bichon training

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>Bichon’s are notable very hard to train…

I don’t know about that. I suppose there is the usual variation, but I’d say I’ve heard many more positive stories than negative ones about house- breaking Bichons. Ed Shephard Binghamton, NY

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We have a 5 year old Bichon who we didn’t have any troubles with housebreaking or training with. She is brilliant (or am I slightly biased?) However, I had to laugh when I read this:

: us he wants to go out when he has to pee…and when he has to poop, he : growls and runs back and forth across the lawn, then goes around in a : whirling dervish circle…we call it his poo dance… Ours does the *exact* same thing! It is the funniest thing to see! It takes her forever to poop!!!! Thanks for the laugh – we hadn’t named it yet, but at least they give you a 5 minute warning. It’s like she’s about to decide that *this* is the place, but then – hold on – look at *that* spot!!! — - Striving every day to be the person my dogs think I am –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->yeah, our bichon male is so stupid we think he’s very smart. Or is it >the other way around? he sure seems to know how to tell us when he >wants to go outside, growling and barking and juming his fool head >off, but that’s when the mailman’s coming….he’s not so smart to tell >us he wants to go out when he has to pee…and when he has to poop, he >growls and runs back and forth across the lawn, then goes around in a >whirling dervish circle…we call it his poo dance… >here’s one other oddity–here;s a 22 pound dog who likes to carry >around a bone that’s meant for german shepherds…… >It’s only rock and roll > Ah, you’ve got a blitzing bichon like the rest of us <G>. the Bichon Blitz is > a common phenomenon with them – it’s a way to let off excess energy and enjoy > life. (The original "What, me worry?" dog…) > My Waldo is 14 lbs, and can destroy a 12" rawhide in just under 2 hours… we > nicknamed him "Jaws". They are noticably silent about going out – evidenly > they don’t want to bother anyone with such mundane details <G>. Try hanging a > bell by the door, and jangling it when you open the door for them. Before > long, they’ll play you a tune when it’s time to go… > Dyane in ATlanta

We’re dog-sitting at the moment for a 7- or 8-month-old bichon named Sunny. It’s her second visit. Her people assured us she’s better trained than the last time, but…. I’d forgotten how much fun bichon puppies are. Ours are 11, 6 and 5. On her first day with us, Sunny jumped into the fountain in our back yard 3 times. I couldn’t figure out where she was getting her feet and legs wet. She reminds me a lot of Lacey, our 11-year-old, whom we got at 8 weeks. She swam in the fountain til one day when the water was really cold and she jumped out as fast as she had gotten in. She hasn’t been back in since. Judith in Scottsdale, Arizona

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SEARCH AND RESCUE (FEMA) DOGS

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Hi, Have you considered a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog? They’re doing exceptionally well in search and rescue throughout the world. Allergy problems are also unheard of with them. Jim (Swissjim1.aol.com)

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I am looking for a third dog will be to continue in the line of Search and Rescue, and ultimately work toward FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) status. I have two standard poodles currently active in search and rescue, and am now looking for my third. Due to allergies and past experience with the breed in obedience, agility, tracking, and search and rescue, I would like to stick with Standard Poodles. Any information on reputable Standard Poodle breeders who would have dogs with good temperment, as well as a good nose in their line would be appreciated. I will be looking to get the pup sometime this Summer or Fall. Jay Yanek Great Lakes Search and Rescue

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