Should we preserve rare breeds?
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should we preserve rare breeds? Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved? or should we let it slip quietly away?. What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?. what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. Even if it possesed noble history?. Hug_ur_dog
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> should we preserve rare breeds?
yes > Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed > every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved?
What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything away from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed. > or > should we let it slip quietly away?. > What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs > be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?.
Don’t quite understand your point. If the breed is gone, you may can try to come up with something similar, but the original is gone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding > program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. > Even if it possesed noble history?. > Hug_ur_dog
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> should we preserve rare breeds? > yes > Also, with all the dogs in rescue and in shelters plus all those killed > every year should a breed on the verge of extinction be preserved? > What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything away > from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed.
Breeding these dog adds to the population does it not? Rare dogs end up in rescues also do they not?. Many people here think any kind of reproduction is bad and just adds to the overpopulation. Their train of thaught is "why produce more dogs with all the dogs in rescue and pounds? and with all the dogs destroyed each year.? > or > should we let it slip quietly away?. > What about breeds already lost in the shadows, should breeding programs > be constructed to revive them? or should we let them remain lost?. > Don’t quite understand your point. If the breed is gone, you may can try > to come up with something similar, but the original is gone.
True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring in outside blood……look at the Chinook. > what if you had to incorperate two to three breeds into a breeding > program to restore a lost breed?. would it be practical?. > Even if it possesed noble history?. > Hug_ur_dog
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Don’t think I need to state- Yes, preserve the rare breeds. > Breeding these dog adds to the population does it not? Rare dogs end up > in rescues also do they not?. Many people here think any kind of > reproduction is bad and just adds to the overpopulation. Their train of > thaught is "why produce more dogs with all the dogs in rescue and > pounds? and with all the dogs destroyed each year.?
Yes, but those breeding the rare breeds would most likely breed other purebreds, not a bunch of mixes. We’re not talking manufactured breeds, we’re talking breeds that have been around and whose popularity has decined. > True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in > order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring in > outside blood……look at the Chinook.
Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the Dalmatian stud book to one of the ‘parent’ breeds to get some of the traits back that were lost through over breeding… ’saving’ the breed, if you will.
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> Yes, but those breeding the rare breeds would most likely breed other > purebreds, not a bunch of mixes.
Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are they not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught. We’re not talking manufactured > breeds, we’re talking breeds that have been around and whose popularity > has decined.
but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more than one type bred to a uniform standard over time. > True, but breeds can be revived from the brink of extinction. but in > order to set up breeding programs sometimes it is nessesary to bring > in > outside blood……look at the Chinook. > Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the > Dalmatian stud book to one of the ‘parent’ breeds to get some of the > traits back that were lost through over breeding… ’saving’ the breed, > if you will.
I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed.
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>I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW
Oh, please. The AKC isn’t the Evil Empire. It’s opened stud books before, and it will do so again. –Cindy —
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> Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are they > not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught.
But that is not preserving the breed. A good breeder of ANY breed will preserve and not mix in any other breeds (I suppose for some of the breeds that have parents, ie Bull Mastiffs crossing in Bulldog or Mastiff would be different, as opposed to bringing in APBT or something- still a related breed, but not one that contributed to the creation of the breed). > but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more > than one type bred to a uniform standard over time.
A type, such as the herding dogs in England or the Curs of the American south that developed for a purpose from similar stock are still different from a "Cockapoo" or "American Barkless" that is reported to be a new breed with first generation crosses of dissimilar breeds. > I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW
I don’t know if it’s true (like I said, just a rumor) but it would be the AKC actually acting for the betterment of a breed that is constantly destroyed when Disney makes another movie. Not something they actively try to do- go out and help preserve breeds, as opposed to just issuing birth certificates. (would be nice if they’d put DNA testing as mandatory some day). > If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set > up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this > would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be > reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. > how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs > not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed.
I think if it saves a genuine breed that has been around for some time (like the Dal) and does it with proper record keeping, a purpose and so on (like the bobtailed Boxers in England) no one will have a problem with the breeding. (JMHO)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes but if they incorperate outside blood from a related breed are > they > not mixing?. Many think so and are fast to express their thaught. > But that is not preserving the breed. A good breeder of ANY breed will > preserve and not mix in any other breeds (I suppose for some of the > breeds that have parents, ie Bull Mastiffs crossing in Bulldog or > Mastiff would be different, as opposed to bringing in APBT or something- > still a related breed, but not one that contributed to the creation of > the breed).
I am talking about breeds or type already in the origional breed. a parrent breed. > but are not all breeds manufactured? all breeds are a blend of more > than one type bred to a uniform standard over time. > A type, such as the herding dogs in England or the Curs of the American > south that developed for a purpose from similar stock are still > different from a "Cockapoo" or "American Barkless" that is reported to > be a new breed with first generation crosses of dissimilar breeds.
I am not talking about dissimilar breeds. I am talking of parrent breeds. > I find this hard to grasp. AKC actually admits this?. WOW > I don’t know if it’s true (like I said, just a rumor) but it would be > the AKC actually acting for the betterment of a breed that is > constantly destroyed when Disney makes another movie. Not something > they actively try to do- go out and help preserve breeds, as opposed to > just issuing birth certificates. (would be nice if they’d put DNA > testing as mandatory some day).
I wonder if they would make some rules like: giving the dogs resulting from the mix of outside blood a tentive number with specifics that any such dog then be bred back to a pure dalmation. or others on this line of thaught. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If one were to bring back an all but lost breed I think one could set > up a breeding program using the parrent breeds but then remember this > would not happen overnight.Many generations go into a breed to be > reconised or set a standard. so many here look down on this. > how could they condone the AKC rumor?. that would meen breeding dogs > not of the standard. but it would be for the betterment of the breed. > I think if it saves a genuine breed that has been around for some time > (like the Dal) and does it with proper record keeping, a purpose and so > on (like the bobtailed Boxers in England) no one will have a problem > with the breeding. (JMHO)
I just do not know, there are the purists out there. they have attacked rarebreeds and re-created breeds or types.
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>Well, from a rumor I’ve heard, The AKC has opened up (or will open) the >Dalmatian stud book
I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to divulge your source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing to? What lost traits are they trying to recapture? Jana &Bonnie
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The AKC opened the stud on the Field spaniel in I think the 50’s. Most the stock was lost during WW2, and English springers were bred in to open up the bloodlines.
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> I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to divulge your > source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing to? What > lost traits are they trying to recapture?
To the white pointer (?) That’s all she knew, and I’m not sure if that’s what the breed they’re opening to even is. traits I guess are some of the behaviors, body neck and head styles. That’s all I know. Like I said, rumor (plus I only heard it from one person, haven’t heard it from anyone else). Would be nice to hear it from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.
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> > What do the points have in common? Rare breeds don’t take anything > away > from rescue/shelter dogs any more than any other breed.
Reread my last sentence: rare breeds don’t take anything away from rescue/shelter breeds ANY MORE THAN any other breed. I don’t deny that rare breeds end up in rescue, but that was not the question. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d be interested in hearing more about this. I won’t ask you to >divulge your > source, but do you know what breed(s) they would consider outcrossing >to? What > lost traits are they trying to recapture? >To the white pointer (?) That’s all she knew, and I’m not sure if >that’s what the breed they’re opening to even is. >traits I guess are some of the behaviors, body neck and head styles. >That’s all I know. Like I said, rumor (plus I only heard it from one >person, haven’t heard it from anyone else). Would be nice to hear it >from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.
I think I had read some info about this a while ago. The reason for the outcrossing to pointers (I think it was pointers) I remembered was not about conformation at all, but instead to improve the health problems that are particular to dalmations. chris and her smoothies Zeffie and Pablo
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> I wonder if they would make some rules like: > giving the dogs resulting from the mix of outside blood a tentive > number with specifics that any such dog then be bred back to a pure > dalmation. or others on this line of thaught.
This is already allowed in some breeds. I have a Dutch Shepherd. In Holland, in the working dog world, it is acceptable to breed a malinios, GSD, or Belgian to a Dutchie to get a better working dog (more drive, whatever). You pick the pups that LOOK like the Dutchie then breed those pups back to a ‘pure’ Dutch Shepherd for 3 generations before it is considered ‘pure’ and registerable again. I dont have any idea how often this is done but my research into the breed has showed that it is allowed. Diane
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