female pup question

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The one that really scared me was the dogs that reportedly bred through TWO crate windows. Made me really understand the old time breeder who when asked about keeping males away from females stated lock and key, um lock and key and glass…. <G> Later on I understood her rather bemused expression far better Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ > pens > and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results > pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 > minutes > of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young > too) > Here’s a pleasant little story from a breeder I know. > "I understand that an accident can happen, but you must be prepared to stop > the breeding process if you don’t want puppies.  To give you an idea of what > to expect, let me tell you a story. > "My kennel is set up with concrete and six-foot high fencing.  The houses > are arranged outside of the runs with a hole cut through the wire so the > dogs have access to the inside of the houses.  There is a five-foot overhand > made of fiberglass panels so the dogs can get out of the sunlight and heat. > When I had a female go into heat, I felt that she was okay and nothing could > happen.  Well, it did! > "She climbed over the gate and circled the kennel yard.  She then climbed on > top of the roof of one of the houses and jumped to the roof of the overhang. > Being fiberglass, it didn’t hold her weight.  She crashed through the roof > and into the pen with a male.  Yes, she bred even after the six-foot fall. > Luckily, she chose the same male I had chosen and didn’t break any bones in > the fall.  Now I have a wire top that I place over the pen when a female > goes into heat.  No one in– no one out.  This way the decision to breed is > mine." > I also saw Parade- before we had her spayed- pull her toenail out trying to > get out of her crate to Tommy on the other side.  We’d only had her a few > weeks when she went into heat… and you can bet that she never went into > heat again. > -Amanda & Lucy > http://uberpest.50megs.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely >> obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a >> female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry >> about this issue at all. >unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of >persistant infections…blech > Notice I *did* say "usually" . And if that’s the only > reason she’s not yet spayed, take comfort in the fact > that you’ll only have to go through this once! > Dianne

man…you have no idea how much lol — Paul C – who has come to the decision that dogs in heat should become an option that  can be unchecked

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> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely > obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a > female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry > about this issue at all.

unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of persistant infections…blech — Paul C – Purebred…mix…their tails still wag the same and they’ll still grab your lunch. Scratch an ear anyways.

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>> Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely > obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a > female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry > about this issue at all. >unless the vet recommends letting her have a heat to get rid of >persistant infections…blech

Notice I *did* say "usually" . And if that’s the only reason she’s not yet spayed, take comfort in the fact that you’ll only have to go through this once! Dianne

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> My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>…  I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:)

Wish we’d thought about that when Parade had her heat.  We did put Vick’s Vapo-Rub (mentholatum) on her vulva to cover the heat smell.  Assuming we got enough on there Tommy (TOMMY!!!) didn’t even notice.  Tommy, the dog who knows when the bitch two miles away (!!) is in heat.  The one who’s father ran three miles across the desert after escaping his locked run to breed the neighbor’s ACD bitch…. Though now he is AWFULLY friendly when you have a cough drop. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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ACK…Vick’s???  Wouldnt that burn???  I know I wouldnt want it near my vulva <grin>…  My male goes crazy too…He’s fixed..but he don’t know it;) Jen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>…  I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:) > Wish we’d thought about that when Parade had her heat.  We did put Vick’s > Vapo-Rub (mentholatum) on her vulva to cover the heat smell.  Assuming we > got enough on there Tommy (TOMMY!!!) didn’t even notice.  Tommy, the dog who > knows when the bitch two miles away (!!) is in heat.  The one who’s father > ran three miles across the desert after escaping his locked run to breed the > neighbor’s ACD bitch…. > Though now he is AWFULLY friendly when you have a cough drop. > -Amanda & Lucy > http://uberpest.50megs.com

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> ACK…Vick’s???  Wouldnt that burn???  I know I wouldnt want it near my vulva > <grin>…  My male goes crazy too…He’s fixed..but he don’t know it;)

I don’t know if it burns… I didn’t ask her <g>.  I actually learned it from a Gary Paulsen book, I was surprised it worked at all.  It was pretty much only for when we went outside so she wouldn’t advertise to the world. Pick her up, head down, wipe her bottom and go. Poor Lucy, being alpha bitch of the dogs (and spayed), kept trying to get the boys to mount HER.  If someone was in heat then dangit! it should be her!!!  She flagged and everything, but couldn’t get them to pay attention. She was soooo upset about it all. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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I use the human panty liners also. She is a smaller dog so I cut the panty liner in half. Since I cut them in half the wings type wouldn’t work so well. Mariah has been real good about keeping her pants on, but she still can get in there and clean herself, panty liner and everything. Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Use panties..and a human pantie liner…Always with wings works good… unless > of course you have a tiny dog…but you should be able to find the appropiate > size… > My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them > <sigh>…  I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with > wings:) > Jen > I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on > furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at > all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and > she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them > spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once > we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I > would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is > coming into heat now and I am dreading it. > Kathy > > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > > anything anywhere) > > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > > them? > > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > > thanks in advance

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> Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ pens > and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results > pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 minutes > of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young > too)

Here’s a pleasant little story from a breeder I know. "I understand that an accident can happen, but you must be prepared to stop the breeding process if you don’t want puppies.  To give you an idea of what to expect, let me tell you a story. "My kennel is set up with concrete and six-foot high fencing.  The houses are arranged outside of the runs with a hole cut through the wire so the dogs have access to the inside of the houses.  There is a five-foot overhand made of fiberglass panels so the dogs can get out of the sunlight and heat. When I had a female go into heat, I felt that she was okay and nothing could happen.  Well, it did! "She climbed over the gate and circled the kennel yard.  She then climbed on top of the roof of one of the houses and jumped to the roof of the overhang. Being fiberglass, it didn’t hold her weight.  She crashed through the roof and into the pen with a male.  Yes, she bred even after the six-foot fall. Luckily, she chose the same male I had chosen and didn’t break any bones in the fall.  Now I have a wire top that I place over the pen when a female goes into heat.  No one in– no one out.  This way the decision to breed is mine." I also saw Parade- before we had her spayed- pull her toenail out trying to get out of her crate to Tommy on the other side.  We’d only had her a few weeks when she went into heat… and you can bet that she never went into heat again. -Amanda & Lucy http://uberpest.50megs.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place. > This is a nice extra "plus" when you are with her and supervising her. > The original poster needs to know, though, that such a garment is no > substitue for in-person supervision!  Really she should not be out without > you when she is in heat.  When I had an intact bitch, she went out into > the fenced yard (after I had checked it for visiting dogs) and I went out > with her and kept her in sight;  early morning and late night "potty runs" > were made with her on a leash, even in the fenced yard.  If the phone > rings or you suddenly realize that you left something cooking on the stove > — she goes back in with you!  Constant vigilance. > Watching from inside the house may be okay if you are close enough to get > out there if a dog shows up, AND if you watch constantly.  A lot of people > would be careless with this so I wouldn’t recommend it, though I can > understand that it would work fine for some owners. > Elizabeth

Oh definitely!  If Summer is truly in heat, which seems to be the question of the moment now, I will be altering her walking schedule.  She’s a boxer and *needs* the outdoor exercise daily.  I’ve asked my vet and some breeders I’ve met online and they said that she does need to be exercised and that by trying to only walk her when others are likely still in bed or in for the night, that I shouldn’t have any problems.  I may end up having to wake up an hour earlier to walk her & wait until after 8 for the evening walk.  We would basically be cutting out the chances of seeing any other dogs on our small route.   She is never unattended outside now, especially with the question of her being in heat.  I’m always either out there with her or inside watching from the window (during the winter cold months), but I’m not more than 2 seconds away even when I’m inside.

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I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is coming into heat now and I am dreading it. Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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Use panties..and a human pantie liner…Always with wings works good… unless of course you have a tiny dog…but you should be able to find the appropiate size… My little ACD bitch is a pro at getting her panties off…and eating them <sigh>…  I ended up making her custom fit panties..and I use Always with wings:) Jen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I put dog panties on my dog and even by doing this she will get blood on > furniture at times. Her first heat she was a mess, never cleaning herself at > all. I had to do it for her. Her second heat she must have matured some and > she kept herself much cleaner. I have always had female dogs and I have them > spayed. I have not spayed this one female because I am showing her, but once > we’re done she will also be spayed. If you are not going to show your dog I > would get her spayed. It’s one less thing you have to worry about. Mine is > coming into heat now and I am dreading it. > Kathy > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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> 2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place.

This is a nice extra "plus" when you are with her and supervising her. The original poster needs to know, though, that such a garment is no substitue for in-person supervision!  Really she should not be out without you when she is in heat.  When I had an intact bitch, she went out into the fenced yard (after I had checked it for visiting dogs) and I went out with her and kept her in sight;  early morning and late night "potty runs" were made with her on a leash, even in the fenced yard.  If the phone rings or you suddenly realize that you left something cooking on the stove — she goes back in with you!  Constant vigilance. Watching from inside the house may be okay if you are close enough to get out there if a dog shows up, AND if you watch constantly.  A lot of people would be careless with this so I wouldn’t recommend it, though I can understand that it would work fine for some owners. Elizabeth

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No, not a dumb question really, if you have never been exposed to female dog that were not fixed.  Smart that you asked it in advance of getting a female, IMO.  I have always had male dogs and until I got on the Internet and began really learned about dogs, I wondered the same thing.  I believe, from what I have learned, female dogs do spot-bleed and you can buy doggie pads and belts for them.  A female dog in heat cannot be let alone because all intact males nearby will try to do anything to mount her and a female will try to do almost anything to get to said males.  Best, in my opinion, to get your dog fixed and thus avoid the problem of contributing to pet overpopulation.  Good luck! >Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find >anything anywhere) >I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do >they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for >them? >Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female >dogs and I am thinking about getting one. >thanks in advance

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Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I missed the completely obvious: the easiest (and usually best) thing to do with a female dog is to spay her–then you won’t have to worry about this issue at all. Dianne

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>2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. >Prevents a male from being able to mount her

Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT belong in "social situations" where intact males are present–even with constant supervision to prevent an unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking fights among the other dogs. Dianne

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Summer is never outside unsupervised.  I only have a small area of grass off my patio that she can use.  She is put on a 20′ cable tie-out to make sure she doesn’t go off on one of her curious george hunts.  I either stand at the window in the kitchen watching her or I stand outside with her.  As far as social situations, I walk her twice a day and we pass other dogs on our walk, all of which are on leashes so I don’t see a problem in a male mounting her since I’m there and the other dog’s owner is there, on the other end of his leash — Tara O. The Hall Monitor Have you microchipped your pet yet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. >Prevents a male from being able to mount her > Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your > bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined > and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! > Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what > "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other > things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . > Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times > when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT > belong in "social situations" where intact males are > present–even with constant supervision to prevent an > unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking > fights among the other dogs. > Dianne

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I know it is hard to get information on what to expect when your dog is on heat.  My dog Jedda went on heat at 7 1/2 months old (a week and a half after I got her from the shelter and two days before her operation!). Some people will tell you that there isn’t much mess but in Jedda’s case this wasn’t true.  She dripped blood.  Not gushing out or anything but quite a few drops and everywhere she sat she left a mark.  And Jedda isn’t one of those "self-cleaning" type of dogs.  I mean, my parents have a sheltie cross and she pays w-a-y too much attention to her nether regions! I didn’t use sanitary pants on her – didn’t find out about them until after she was finished! I have a very secure back yard (luckily) but I still saw dogs sniffing around the garage door (which leads through) on occasion.  I didn’t walk her while she was in season because if we did see a male I knew I couldn’t pick up a 40lb dog and run away! And as an added bonus, you get to put up with this for three weeks at a time! Seriously consider getting your female desexed BEFORE she comes into season. Don’t listen to all of the old wives tales about letting them go through "just one season".  From what information I found this is not beneficial at all – in fact, it increases the chances of mammary cancer. Could any experienced breeders shed a more educated light on the subject? I’m only speaking from personal experience (and not an experience I want to repeat). Michelle & Jedda (who also had an umbilical hernia which was found at the time of desexing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find > anything anywhere) > I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do > they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for > them? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female > dogs and I am thinking about getting one. > thanks in advance

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Ah therein speaks the person who has not seen the fully determined to breed dog in action We say be very careful for good reason here. Dogs are smarter, faster, and more willful than you might believe when it comes to breeding. That ‘aroma’ is powerful stuff! Leashes may well not be enough and walking your dog when she is in heat may well lead to a parade of dogs encircling your home (not to mention a tie out and even your presence is no protection from an amorous male!) I wish you luck in guarding your girl. Nancy Gee said my breeder friend the 5 month old 6lb pup climbed over two 6′ pens and dug under another to get at the bitch in the covered run – results pregnancy and one puppy – time involved to get to point of tie – 20 minutes of owner lack of observation (and yeah they thought he was too young too)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Summer is never outside unsupervised.  I only have a small area of grass off > my patio that she can use.  She is put on a 20′ cable tie-out to make sure > she doesn’t go off on one of her curious george hunts.  I either stand at > the window in the kitchen watching her or I stand outside with her.  As far > as social situations, I walk her twice a day and we pass other dogs on our > walk, all of which are on leashes so I don’t see a problem in a male > mounting her since I’m there and the other dog’s owner is there, on the > other end of his leash > — > Tara O. > The Hall Monitor > Have you microchipped your pet yet? > >2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other > dogs. > >Prevents a male from being able to mount her > Oh no… do NOT rely on a sanitary garment to protect your > bitch from being bred–I have no doubt that a determined > and experienced male could push it aside in a millisecond! > Besides which, although my dogs know perfectly well what > "leave it" means (it means "don’t pee there" among other > things) they *do* expect to go outside to go potty . > Bitches in season need to be supervised at all times > when outdoors, even in a fenced yard. And they do NOT > belong in "social situations" where intact males are > present–even with constant supervision to prevent an > unwanted breeding from occurring, you will be risking > fights among the other dogs. > Dianne

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Not to mention that for a first-time dog owner, one often forgets that a female dog is fertile for usually up to *two weeks* AFTER the discharge has stopped, so even if the dog is not showing signs of being in heat any longer, in which case the "doggy diaper" will be removed, she can still get pregnant. Hope that you know this. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My female just went into heat this weekend and I wouldn’t have known except > for a few tiny blood stains I found.  I went to PetsMart and bought her a > doggy diaper for two reasons…. > 1.  To protect the house from blood droplets and > 2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. > Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I > wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in > the first place. > They’re not expensive and easy to use.  Only problem I have with them is my > dog trying to pull it off….she can’t, but she does try.  Other than taking > this precautionary measure, I don’t see you having to make any other > preparations or arrangements. > — > Tara O. > The Hall Monitor > Have you microchipped your pet yet?

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You are very correct about spaying *before* they come into season. Like humans, the female dog only begins producing hormones at around the time of her first season. Most breeders will not breed their dog until the second or third season to ensure that their reproductive system is fully developed, though, again like humans, they *can* get pregnant earlier. Some females get pregnant before their owner even noticed that they had a season! Spaying *before* the first season, usually around 6 months of age (it can be done earlier, if you prefer, ask your vet about it), not only ensures that she will *never* get pregnant (causing unwanted puppies and creating unnecessary risk for mom and babies), but ensures that her chances of developing mammary cancer drop to *almost* zero. Spayed dogs can still develop mammary cancer, but typically, if the dog is spayed before she begins to develop mammary tissue (before her first season), then there is less tissue there that can become cancerous. Also, spayed dogs have zero chance of developing uterine infections, which can not only be painful, but can be fatal. Of course, there are opponents to the spaying/neutering stance, who argue that tubiligations and vasectomies are just as effective. While these procedures *are* effective at preventing pregnancy, they *DO NOT* prevent mammary or testicular cancer, nor do they prevent uterine infections/cysts/pyometria (infection of the uterine lining), or ovarian cancer/cysts. Only removal of these organs by an ovariohysterectomy (spay) or castration (neuter) will remove the chances of these problems. I hope that this has provided you with enough information to make an informed decision, of course, you should *ALWAYS* talk to your vet before you make any decisions regarding procedures for your dog. For the original poster, who does not now have a female dog, please talk to your vet or a trusted breeder or even to people at a local animal shelter about what to expect with females. For some breeds they react differently to different things, and you may want to reconsider if you expect problems. Good luck on your decision and thank you for asking these questions *before* you got a new dog. Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know it is hard to get information on what to expect when your dog is on > heat.  My dog Jedda went on heat at 7 1/2 months old (a week and a half > after I got her from the shelter and two days before her operation!). > Some people will tell you that there isn’t much mess but in Jedda’s case > this wasn’t true.  She dripped blood.  Not gushing out or anything but quite > a few drops and everywhere she sat she left a mark.  And Jedda isn’t one of > those "self-cleaning" type of dogs.  I mean, my parents have a sheltie cross > and she pays w-a-y too much attention to her nether regions! > I didn’t use sanitary pants on her – didn’t find out about them until after > she was finished! > I have a very secure back yard (luckily) but I still saw dogs sniffing > around the garage door (which leads through) on occasion.  I didn’t walk her > while she was in season because if we did see a male I knew I couldn’t pick > up a 40lb dog and run away! > And as an added bonus, you get to put up with this for three weeks at a > time! > Seriously consider getting your female desexed BEFORE she comes into season. > Don’t listen to all of the old wives tales about letting them go through > "just one season".  From what information I found this is not beneficial at > all – in fact, it increases the chances of mammary cancer. > Could any experienced breeders shed a more educated light on the subject? > I’m only speaking from personal experience (and not an experience I want to > repeat). > Michelle & Jedda (who also had an umbilical hernia which was found at the > time of desexing)

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Hello group. I have a quick question(maybe dumb, but I just cant find anything anywhere) I was wondering what you do when the female is in heat? What I mean is do they have a period like human females have and if so what do you do for them? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just haven’t been around many female dogs and I am thinking about getting one. thanks in advance

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My female just went into heat this weekend and I wouldn’t have known except for a few tiny blood stains I found.  I went to PetsMart and bought her a doggy diaper for two reasons…. 1.  To protect the house from blood droplets and 2.  To put on her when she’s outside in a social situation with other dogs. Prevents a male from being able to mount her if for some bizarre reason I wasn’t paying close enough attention to let a situation like that arise in the first place. They’re not expensive and easy to use.  Only problem I have with them is my dog trying to pull it off….she can’t, but she does try.  Other than taking this precautionary measure, I don’t see you having to make any other preparations or arrangements. — Tara O. The Hall Monitor Have you microchipped your pet yet?

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